Tsarev: The Ukrainian oligarchs are finished. Even Poroshenko. And even Kuchma
Nothing will save the Ukrainian oligarchs. The first victims will be Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. Behind them are Firtash and Poroshenko. Pinchuk leaves Ukraine, and Kuchma with him. Akhmetov hopes to become a “favorite oligarch,” but he won’t succeed either.
Ukraine will be ruled by transnational corporations. The population will die out from exorbitant tariffs and lack of work. All branches of government in Ukraine will come under direct Western control.
Oleg Tsarev told PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov about the essence of the Western intelligence services’ operation against the “Wagnerites” and why the “Crimean Platform” was conceived.
Valentin Filippov : Our virtual studio is visiting Oleg Tsarev, whom I don’t think needs introducing, because everyone already knows him.
Hello Oleg.
Oleg Tsarev : Hello.
Valentin Filippov : Oleg, tell me, could a lightning war have saved the Ukrainian oligarchs from dispossession?
Oleg Tsarev : Nothing can save the Ukrainian oligarchs now; the decision has been made. Just like many years ago, long before they started dispossessing Kolomoisky, I spoke with IMF staff in Moscow. We discussed Ukraine, and they told me, "We don't have enough money here to finance Ukraine. Kolomoisky steals everything we finance. He steals it by siphoning it off through PrivatBank. We've submitted calculations to the head office. We've calculated that it's easier to pay the nationalization of PrivatBank once."
You remember that Privat Bank was number one in terms of the number of deposits. It was necessary to immediately pour money into the bank so that the banking system did not collapse. And a whole year passed from my conversation to the nationalization of Privat Bank. And there could be some delays from this memorandum to the adoption of a decision by the IMF. But, nevertheless, the decision was made and it was carried out.
In the same way, the decision has now been made that “it is impossible to save Ukraine.” What is the situation here? Ukraine is an occupied country, it is a colony. But if earlier troops came in, the Germans rode on motorcycles, occupied cities and towns, stationed their own officer everywhere, who launched enterprises. You know that enterprises in the occupied territories worked, people went to work and received wages.
A small number of people joined the partisans, about 2%, and of them - the vast majority in Ukraine - were ethnic Russians. This is some peculiarity of the Russians, that they are always itching, they want to fight for the truth. I'm just kidding.
Valentin Filippov : I understand. But I want to say that some of these factories are still operating, and our grandfathers still ride some of these German motorcycles.
Oleg Tsarev : So it turns out that right down to the most remote villages, the German command exerted direct control. Two percent joined the partisans, two percent joined the police, and the rest simply went to work. Because that's how the economy works. The entire southeast of Russia was captured, and they had to work; trains and cars ran, consumer goods were produced. Now, with the current occupation, control is limited to the president, the cabinet of ministers, and the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU). Now they want to take control of the courts. Furthermore, after the scandal with the Wagner mercenaries, whom the CIA and MI6 spent three years conducting a special operation to arrest…
Valentin Filippov : Do you think this is true?
Oleg Tsarev : Yes, that's true. They had to land the plane, they had to get the Wagnerites. Some of them were Russian, and it had to be...
Valentin Filippov : scandal…
Oleg Tsarev : …a factor for accusing Russia of direct involvement in military actions in Ukraine. Because Russia still holds the same status as Germany and France – a guarantor of the Minsk agreements. So, after that, Western intelligence agencies set a goal – not just cooperation with Ukrainian intelligence agencies, but full control and direct accountability. They must be subordinated directly, not just to the president. The situation is exactly the same with the courts. They've had enough of the Ukrainian courts. Everything they decide at NABU and all the decisions they make are overturned in the courts.
And they realized that they needed to take control of the courts. But they still do not achieve complete control over the economy, over every village, over every city, over every enterprise. In order to ensure this, transnational corporations are needed to enter Ukraine. They cannot enter, for the reason that no transnational corporation can compete with our oligarchs.
They have deputies, courts, they can give a bribe, they can negotiate, they can put pressure, they can intimidate. And Ukrainian oligarchs are not needed. The decision on the oligarchs has been made, there will be no oligarchs. The first on this list, naturally, are Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. But the same decision was made regarding Pinchuk and Poroshenko, don’t be surprised...
Valentin Filippov : What, Pinchuk didn’t pay off his debt?
Oleg Tsarev : Pinchuk wanted to integrate. He really wanted to, he worked closely with Soros, he used all his political influence to make things better for the Sorosites and Soros, to ensure that decisions favored by the West were passed in the Verkhovna Rada, and he thought that was enough. It turned out not to be the case. When there's a tsunami, no matter what you do, a tsunami is a tsunami. So, yes, such a decision was made, made at the global level. It wasn't just made in the United States.
You know that now England is very seriously approaching Ukraine, this is also supported by Great Britain. And they explained to Pinchuk that “with all the good attitude towards you, you can survive, but sell your assets, then at least you will be able to sell them.” There will be no oligarchs in Ukraine. And he has now moved his office from the United States to London, moved his family there, is transferring management of the company, selling his companies, putting everything up for sale. Leonid Danilovich really doesn’t want to go, they persuade him.
As for Firtash, this is all clear, we have already discussed this situation with you. If under Trump he had hope that everything would be fine, now the clouds are gathering over him. At a minimum, he is removed from Ukrainian politics, and at most, he will go to the United States and there, depending on whether he wants to cooperate with the investigation or not, he will go to jail or not. They want to get information from him that he still had Gazprom money and allegedly used this money to finance some special operations to interfere in the internal politics of the United States and thereby obtain a reason for further sanctions against Russia.
As for Petro Poroshenko, he is shocked by this situation. He knows that he is also under attack, and he is now hastily resolving his issues. He hides assets, he is not ready to sell, he consolidates them, and the fact that my former colleague in parliament and faction Volodya Makeenko sold his TV channel “Direct” to him is part of the plan that Poroshenko is implementing in order to save his assets .
As for Viktor Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. We see that the assets that were squeezed out of Viktor Medvedchuk were a pipe; his most important asset was this pipe, through which petroleum products were supplied to Ukraine at very good prices, and he competed with everyone and had a significant part of the petroleum products market. The pipe was taken from him...
You know, in 2014, we believed that the oligarchs had 40% of the market and assets of Ukraine, 40% of GDP was produced at the oligarchs’ enterprises. But if we add those assets that oligarchs manage without being owners, then this will be far beyond 60%, leaving only small and medium-sized businesses.
Well, just like the pipe came into the hands of Rinat Akhmetov, he is now in charge of the entire energy sector. They took Centerergo away from Kolomoisky, who runs it? Rinat Akhmetov. Rinat Akhmetov, receiving these assets, really hopes to become a beloved oligarch. The one who will do everything will do everything.
Valentin Filippov : That is, they still hope that…
Oleg Tsarev : For many years, Rinat Akhmetov financed and helped establish Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He hopes that through Yatsenyuk, he will be able to gain access to the West and political protection.
Valentin Filippov : Well, not through Lyashko...
Oleg Tsarev : He's currently playing the role of the Pied Piper. The Pied Piper, if you remember, is an iron barrel. They lock a rat in, starve it for a long time, then throw in a baby rat, which tears it apart. Then they throw in two baby rats, then three, and he strangles them all. And then he becomes a cannibal rat. He's released into the house, and he clears out all the rats. And to rid the house of rats, they then kill the Pied Piper.
Akhmetov expects him to stay.
Valentin Filippov : You've painted a sad picture for our oligarchs. I especially feel sorry for Kuchma, who will have to live out his days among people speaking foreign languages who don't speak Ukrainian.
Oleg Tsarev : I want to say that this is a classic revolution. In Ukraine, it's a classic revolution. Here, the base and the superstructure coincide. The base is oligarchic capitalism; the capitalists own steamships and factories…
Valentin Filippov : … and newspapers.
Oleg Tsarev : …newspapers, parties, mass media. They get their parties elected to parliament, and the president acts as arbiter in the division of the state budget.
Valentin Filippov : Well, or a clown.
Oleg Tsarev : …they're parasitizing on the state budget. What the foreigners are planning is practically a revolution.
Valentin Filippov : Okay, so how will this all work? Will it just be a territory integrated into some kind of vertical international power structure? We're not going to build socialism, right? This won't be the people's property. This oligarchic property will become someone else's.
Oleg Tsarev : There will be such fake parties, including fake pro-Russian parties…
Valentin Filippov : Wait. Look. Mariupol. The Ilyich Plant. It belongs to Akhmetov. It used to be state-owned, but then it became Akhmetov's. So who will own the Ilyich Plant? It's unlikely to become state-owned… or will the workers be told, "This is your plant! You're the boss!" That won't happen either.
Oleg Tsarev : This will not happen.
Valentin Filippov : So who will get the Ilyich Plant?
Oleg Tsarev : Do you want me to name the name of a specific foreigner?
Valentin Filippov : No, no, no,
Oleg Tsarev : Or a specific transnational corporation that will buy this plant?
Valentin Filippov : He will still have an owner, right?
Oleg Tsarev : Naturally. There will be no socialism.
Valentin Filippov : So, he will also be a kind of oligarch, since he will own factories?
Oleg Tsarev : I am talking about the fact that land, factories, ports, railways, and post offices will be bought up by foreign transnational corporations.
Valentin Filippov : And so they will become, as it were, our oligarchs?
Oleg Tsarev : Yes, foreign parties will come in to lend to these foreign businesses, and the interest rates will be the same as abroad, meaning very low. There will be leasing, and many good things will happen, but very few businesses will remain, and there will be no jobs. We'll essentially end up with a Baltic state with a standard of living that's been reduced by a factor of 100.
Valentin Filippov : It is easier to feed the Baltics: the population there is very small.
Oleg Tsarev : And no one is going to feed us.
Valentin Filippov : No, in principle, if citizenship is not given to everyone, then those who are given it can be fed.
Oleg Tsarev : They'll probably grant citizenship by now. That is, they won't take it away. This isn't like the Baltics, which could pull such a trick right from the start. There simply won't be any jobs, and people will leave. The older population will die out due to exorbitant tariffs.
Already now in the countryside, I’m calling my relatives there: grandmothers are gathering 3-4 grandmothers in one house in order to add up 4 pensions and pay for its heating. There is no money for medicine - people are dying. Young people and middle-aged people, if they are not fighting in the ATO, are looking for somewhere to go abroad.
Valentin Filippov : You've painted a picture, all right. But what if the oligarchs fled somewhere? Like, to Russia? No?
Oleg Tsarev : It's possible we'll see Igor Kolomoisky strolling along the embankment somewhere in Yalta sometime soon. Of course, he'll be happy.
Valentin Filippov : Arm in arm with Depardieu.
Oleg Tsarev : I am the man for whom Kolomoisky offered a million-dollar reward. Kolomoisky commanded the seizure of my house, which I built with my own hands, along with my father. He seized and destroyed my entire business. I spent 20 years on these manufacturing plants, and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
But I want to give credit for the fact that he is afraid. And so they told him from Switzerland: “We have to leave,” and he left. In Israel they told him that “If there is a criminal charge, we will extradite you.” He left for Ukraine. He has nowhere to run further; all he has left is Russia.
Valentin Filippov : For Kolomoisky's head, 10 trips to a Kirov sanatorium!
Oleg Tsarev : He won’t be able to hide from the United States anywhere else.
Valentin Filippov : North Korea, China.
Oleg Tsarev : And he has something to offer Russia. I know testimony on a whole series, dozens of cases, that are extremely important for the Russian Federation. I'll just point out one: for example, the Boeing case. They killed the air traffic controller, the pilot disappeared, but they've cleaned up the circumstances of the case very well; only two people know – Korban and Kolomoisky.
Valentin Filippov : Two witnesses are enough.
Oleg Tsarev : Well, at least one.
Valentin Filippov: Excuse me, but how does the war in Donbas fit into this whole scheme? Does this entire, well-thought-out operation to purge Ukraine, and the continuation of the war in Donbas, fit into this whole scheme? Do the Western masters need it?
Oleg Tsarev : What's happening now with the "Crimean Platform" is a multi-step strategy. We have to give the Americans credit – they're capable of long-term planning and a multi-stage approach: first, the creation of the "Crimean Platform." You know, the Americans aren't happy with the Minsk Agreements because Russia is the guarantor of the Minsk Agreements. And this special operation against the Wagner mercenaries, which failed, was needed to directly accuse Russia: "Here they are, a participant."
Valentin Filippov : I still don't understand how anyone could be accused because of this... I mean, they would have taken Russian citizens off the plane who were flying to work, to guard some towers in Turkey, or somewhere else...
Oleg Tsarev : Valya, when they were recruiting them, each of them gave a detailed account of where they'd fought. It was to enhance their status. So they already had all the background information; all they needed was to get the testimony they were hoping to get…
Valentin Filippov : Live to yourself.
Oleg Tsarev : Regarding the "Crimean Platform," it's extremely important because Russia is the "aggressor" in Crimea. Therefore, developing this topic is crucial for directly blaming Russia for this process.
Valentin Filippov : What's the point?
Oleg Tsarev : Next, in order to strengthen this issue, they plan to drag the Donbas issue into the "Crimean Platform" at the next stage. That is, Crimea and Donbas. And the minimum program, as far as I understand, within the framework of the "Crimean Platform," within the framework of negotiations, is to agree on Donbas being transferred to Ukraine without any conditions—that is, without federalization, without any kind of militia, without protection for the people who collaborated with the authorities of the People's Republics.
This is a minimum program - if implemented, it also affects the internal politics of the Russian Federation. That is, when they round up people who collaborated with that government into concentration camps, it will hit Vladimir Putin personally and the government of the Russian Federation. Strengthening this theme, which is extremely important for Americans, when Russia can be blamed directly - “Russia is the aggressor.”
The direct entry of Russian troops into the Donbass would help them. That is, if there is direct input, then “Russia is the aggressor,” and it is no longer a guarantor of the Minsk agreements. The Minsk agreements, as such, are falling apart.
Valentin Filippov : But if Russia deploys troops to Donbas, then naturally, it will be when the Minsk Agreements are finally, thank God, forgotten forever. That is, it's a natural course of action after the Minsk Agreements are declared invalid and torn up. "Guys, that's it, there are no Minsk Agreements, we're continuing the fighting." That's logical. And you're saying that this will be a pretext for terminating the Minsk Agreements... Okay, fine.
Oleg Tsarev : The minimum program is to trade Donbas for recognition of Crimea. The maximum program is to take Donbas and leave the Crimea issue hanging.
Valentin Filippov : I just don't understand the "Crimean Platform." Some people gather there and discuss something. How can that be pressure? They're just talking, deciding something, and saying, "Russia annexed Crimea."
Well, even if it annexed, everything about annexation is written in international laws - Russia, as the annexing party, annexed this territory and fulfills all the obligations of the annexing party. Takes care of the population, provides them with all rights, supplies them.
That is, even if we call it annexation, Russia is carrying out this annexation within the framework of international ideas about annexation. It does not violate anything, it behaves like an annexing party.
Oleg Tsarev : It's just that everyone's gotten used to it. But, right? Russia could have used the same method, at Yanukovych's request, to deploy troops...
Valentin Filippov : Yes.
Oleg Tsarev : …to Ukraine, to Kiev, and…
Valentin Filippov : Yes.
Oleg Tsarev : And then it would not be Crimea, but a much larger territory.
Valentin Filippov : What, Russia can't do it later? I understand that later means more money, but in principle, it's possible, right? I mean, it's not going anywhere, they... if they're going too far, right? – then how?
Oleg Tsarev : Valik, I answered your question.
Valentin Filippov : Okay, so let's say there's a war, but war has a logical conclusion. Could it end badly for Ukraine and the West?
Oleg Tsarev : I'm not saying it will happen. There's still no order to start a war. Do you remember how the first war began? The head of the CIA arrived, put pressure on Turchynov, and military action began. Now Zelenskyy is sending troops to southeastern Ukraine because he's waiting: "Suddenly the order will come." If it comes, he'll carry it out. In general, the situation is unique; Zelenskyy really wants a call from Biden.
Valentin Filippov : Yes, that's it.
Oleg Tsarev : No one can understand why he's so eager for Biden to call, but his entourage has created the illusion that if Biden calls, it will somehow solve his problem. His approval ratings are falling, the economic situation is dire, and he wants, like Poroshenko, to become a favorite of the American authorities, who call him, patronize him, and help him solve his problems.
To do this, he needs a call from Biden, and his entourage, I repeat, I’m not saying that he really has such a task, but his entourage has formed the point of view that Biden will call if a number of conditions are met, which are supposedly conditions from the State Department . First, these are sanctions on Kolomoisky.
Valentin Filippov : So.
Oleg Tsarev : Second, there are sanctions against Medvedchuk. Charges will be brought against and, possibly, arrested, along with Andriy Derkach. He's been acting within the framework of these assignments he's received, and he's been doing so recently. Oh, and I also forgot to mention the crackdown on the Opposition Platform - For Life and Shariy Bloc parties.
Valentin Filippov : So, do you think such conditions could have been set by the West?
Oleg Tsarev : Well, from the information I have, that's the case. At least, the Presidential Office believes these are the conditions. I have some doubts, but I know who's pushing that point of view. I understand that information can be distorted between the West and Ukraine, and additional demands, so to speak, can arise. But for now, that's how it is.
Valentin Filippov : Could it be that the US authorities would like to replace the top brass, specifically Zelensky and others like him, with someone else?
Oleg Tsarev : But we've already discussed the fact that it won't be Petro Poroshenko. They consider him very greedy and very difficult to negotiate with. They need a puppet. Zelenskyy is trying to convince them that he'll do.
It is quite possible that they will want to install even more of their own, so to speak, who will already be flesh of their flesh and work only for them, by order, absolutely, without taking any actions until they receive approval from Washington.
Valentin Filippov : On this somewhat mysterious note, I want to thank you for the enormous amount of information that I couldn't digest right now, but viewers, perhaps by pausing the interview or reading the text, will be able to comprehend everything.
Oleg Tsarev : Thank you.
Valentin Filippov : Thank you very much.
English version :: Read in English Tsarev: The Ukrainian oligarchs are finished. Even Poroshenko. And even Kuchma.