“Cookies” for Ukraine. Work of Western funds. Part II
Western NGOs have raised a generation of parasites in Ukraine. A color revolution is also possible with economic growth. International funds are controlled by the state.
Economist and political scientist Alexander Dudchak spoke to PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov about how Ukraine was broken and plundered using international development and support programs. Read the first part of the conversation here.
Valentin Filippov : Alexander, hello! Is handing out passports to residents of the DPR and LPR interference in Ukraine's internal affairs? Or does Ukraine have no internal affairs of its own?
Alexander Dudchak : Let's look at the problem holistically. Does the Green Card lottery, the issuance of Israeli passports, the Polish Card, Hungarian passports, and Romanian passports constitute interference in internal affairs? Our comrades looked on calmly, and then suddenly the issuance of passports hit them so hard…
Comrades, where did it all start? It all started with a coup d'etat, which a huge part of the population did not accept. Somewhere she has not come to terms, but she behaves quietly. Somewhere she didn’t accept it and behaved differently. If there had not been an armed coup on the territory of Ukraine with so many victims, Crimea would have been part of Ukraine, Donbass would have been part of Ukraine.
Valentin Filippov : Therefore, the Crimeans express their enormous gratitude to the coup.
Alexander Dudchak : Now, regarding interference in internal affairs. In the previous part of our conversation, we talked about how Ukrainian society was entangled in various ways. The example of the Soros Foundation is the most interesting because it worked in many areas, and we recalled how they worked with miners, the military, schools, then, at the end of 1997, with those just beginning to master the internet, and then they began organizing NATO information centers.
A bunch of organizations are working in parallel, for example, the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute, USAID, and various European commissions. Darkness, these are just the brightest ones.
Then they started, back in XNUMX, there was such a consolidated Ukrainian association “Business Incubator and Innovation Center”.
They began their activities with the most active part of the youth, working with university graduates. One of Soros’s first programs in Ukraine was back in the nineties - attracting young people who were on the verge of graduating from university. A person is studying at the university for the last year, they studied for five years with state money, they were paid a stipend, and Soros appears, skims the cream, selects the teams.
Well, now we are friends with the West, we have no enemies, and to receive a scholarship and go somewhere for an internship, there, in Switzerland, in Europe or in America, it was, of course, wonderful.
Ten years later, they begin to work with the most active part of society, but in new economic conditions, that is, these are those who can and are capable of engaging in entrepreneurial activity.
Among other things, a certain ideology is imposed on them - the ideology of the open market, liberal values, that the market will put everything in its place - they carry this traditional nonsense.
Then structures spun off from them, which themselves were engaged in organizing new enterprises. One of them was the “Maidan University,” which took an active part in the coup in XNUMX-XNUMX, and then this university worked with other organizations, such as Automaidan.
Automaidan is an association of caring suckers under the roof of professional organizers who received money for it and recruited into the crowd these kind of dunces who were interested in waving some kind of rag with the symbols of the Maidan...
Valentin Filippov : I'm wondering: where did they get the gasoline?
Alexander Dudchak : I think they were given money for gas, although I wouldn't be surprised if, out of sincere motives, they paid for the gas themselves, so that's basically normal.
What else is interesting: in the late nineties - in ninety-eight, the first exit poll was held in Ukraine. This is a parallel process of voting control and pressure.
If an “independent” organization professing “European values” says that this candidate is gaining more, but your results show a difference of, say, five percent, then this is a reason for a recount.
These organizations, created in 2004, played an extremely important role in XNUMX, when one candidate won, but held a third round, thanks to the organizers of the Soros Foundation and others.
The year two thousand is the beginning of a new millennium, they continue to work with the media, organize radio broadcasts for national minorities - for the Roma, for Transcarpathia, that is, they are spreading another area. This radio actively polished the brains.
For the introduction, by the way, of external independent assessment - also “thank you” to Comrade Soros...
Valentin Filippov : But in Russia there is also external testing.
Alexander Dudchak : And here too, a similar disaster occurred, but it was a common one. They say the West poured money in, and Russia didn't interfere. But excuse me, what happened in Russia? Yes, they shut down USAID and Soros in '12 and '15. But who governed Russia? Remember that team of "young economists." They were "young economists" in '83, when they were formed, and by then, under Comrade Andropov, they were already attending international gatherings, including Budapest, and they were in contact with Slovenia. Back then, this business was carefully introduced to them, and they later found themselves at the helm of a great state that is still recovering from Gaidar's reforms and Chubais's privatization.
Valentin Filippov : What was Andropov thinking if they traveled abroad and picked up some information from him? They were recruited there, apparently?
Alexander Dudchak : The Andropov topic is too big and completely separate…
Let's return to Ukraine. Thus, in 2003, Soros created the Public Council on Freedom of Speech and Information and independent media trade unions.
It was created in 2003, just in time for the elections. Such traditional work is to create structures that cover events in a very “democratic” way before elections.
And a council of Ukrainian human rights organizations was created, a mouthpiece, which then actively participated in the Maidan of ’04 and the Maidan of ’13-14.
A whole network of non-governmental organizations was created to cover the elections and, subsequently, they also worked in the parliamentary elections after the Orange Revolution.
And according to official data from the State Department alone, about $100 million was allocated for journalistic work programs; according to unofficial data, about $200 million. The amount is not small for journalists. They are not always expensive, and for extras you can easily break the neck of any political figure.
Remember the attacks on individual politicians, not to mention the president, and ministers. And according to Fulbright, from 1992 to 2004, about 20 activists passed through the filters of foundations, primarily the Soros Foundation, and among them many who later became deputies got into the Verkhovna Rada, and some still began their activities from the “Maidan on granite” » 000th year.
Valentin Filippov : And isn't the "White Brotherhood" sect, well-known in Ukraine in the 90s, Maria Devi Christos, from the same series?
Alexander Dudchak : Our partners are distinguished by their tendency to attack areas and then choose where to break through. They attack in various directions, including religion.
If we remember Filaret, “national self-consciousness” awoke in him in 1992, and then a schismatic “church” appeared.
What unites Belarus, Russia and Ukraine and other countries at the national level is the Orthodox Church and, of course, it has always been beaten, but it is one thing when the Orthodox Church was broken, and the creation of all sorts of destructive sectarian organizations is a different direction.
Valentin Filippov : Well, Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, very actively supported Yushchenko and the Maidan.
Alexander Dudchak : Remember the Turchynov sect, these comrades wore white shirts and black ties with badges.
A very important date is 2004. Why important? Ukraine was ready to sign very serious documents on joining the Eurasian structures. This could not be allowed to happen. One of the tasks facing this activity was to prevent Ukraine from participating in integration processes, because this could lead to the creation of a powerful pole with Ukrainian participation.
In principle, Russia with Kazakhstan, Belarus and other countries of the Union is such a huge planet in itself. But with the participation of Ukraine, this would really be a geopolitical pole. And it was necessary to prevent Ukraine’s participation in this project at any cost.
That's why there was a third round and everything else. When Yushchenko came to power illegally, all these projects were curtailed, and powerful pressure was put on the brains of the population in order to push through all these delights of European integration, Euro-Atlantic and everything else. And in 2005, the Bologna process began in Ukraine.
Valentin Filippov : Yes, instead of specialists we are starting to produce lapdogs.
Alexander Dudchak : The main goal of this whole "Bologna" project was to facilitate the integration of our sufficiently qualified specialists into the Western economy using a simplified system. I had some involvement in education.
The Bologna process simply simplifies, under the guise of mobility, the outflow of brains from Ukraine abroad. Mobility implies two-way traffic, but it was difficult for a banker who graduated from a university in Switzerland to come to Privatbank.
By 2005, an interesting connection was being formed between three groups of non-governmental organizations, which had already been created by 2004-05 with funds from various funds.
One block is NGO initiatives that deal with environmental problems, education problems, corruption, hazing in the army, for example.
The second large group is a network of NGOs that played the role of media, i.e. someone created the event, someone picked it up and launched it into circulation, along a trapezoid. When news appears in the media, its mention goes like a ladder, rose, peaked, passed, descended, dissolved.
And the third block is legal organizations that raise this problem to the level of legal services. They say: “Well, it’s a mess, we need to solve this problem somehow.” And such pressure is being organized, on the Minister of Education, say, on the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. What did you do there? Who did you hit in the neck? You shouldn't have hit him in the neck, you should have shaken your finger at him.
This was very clearly organized in Russia. Especially after the first Chechen war, when the same NGOs, which then had preferential conditions for existence on Russian territory, covered the actions of the Russian army, then legal firms helped write lawsuits in European courts.
The light version was in Ukraine, when they put pressure on individual politicians who, God forbid, came out with certain criticism of European integration or European values. “Well, how can that be? Maybe you don’t like gays?” Such a person could be removed by simply crushing him morally, and the person himself would leave, saying, to hell with it, I’d rather grow cabbage in the garden than listen to your insults...
Here's what else is important. Viktor Andreich’s love for the West results in such interesting events as the presentation of diplomas... This, in my opinion, is the peak of the occupation, and you asked at the beginning, is there any interference? Well, what kind of intervention? Simply, the United States Ambassador presents diplomas to graduates of the SBU Academy together with the head of the Security Service. In my opinion, it is difficult to imagine how one can continue not to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
2008-2009 what is happening? 2009 – the start of the so-called “Eastern Partnership”. In May there was a constituent assembly of representatives of countries, these are 6 republics of the former Union, the countries of Transcaucasia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and the European Union. They act interestingly in this regard. Europe acts as a single whole on the one hand, and on the other hand they cooperate separately with each country. They do not allow the unification of post-Soviet countries; they have separate programs for each. By the way, they also invited Russia to participate in this partnership. But they suggested this: give us your plot - it will be the Kaliningrad region. But Russia, fortunately for it, did not participate in this event.
They allocate money for this, people like it, now Armenia is participating, I talked with a representative of Armenia... well, it’s wonderful there, they just give money, well, you have to write a report. All you have to do is write a report, you just need to strictly fulfill their demands. And they demand this: they give a portion, then they say, you will do it, report, then we will give you the next portion. This is how a person gets involved, our generation grew up on grants...
But let's return to Ukraine again. All this soft power begins to ossify very intensely. By the time Yanukovych wins the elections in 2004, frankly speaking, it is already too late to drink Borjomi.
By that time, the entire structure of state power was so stuffed with people who had gone through participation in the work of non-governmental organizations that lived on grants...
Valentin Filippov : Was there a similar situation during the last Ukrainian elections?
Alexander Dudchak : You know, the goals are changing. If in the early 2000s it was still a struggle to dominate minds on a societal scale, to establish control over branches of government, over state institutions, now it's prevention—not disease prevention, but health prevention, to prevent, God forbid, pockets of common sense and recovery from appearing. It's simply maintaining the structures that are still tinkering with people's minds. But over the past five years, the system of state power has already been formed…
Valentin Filippov : Yes, and the punitive system.
Alexander Dudchak : And the penal system. Thanks for reminding me. When the CIA was already in Vladimirskaya, by 2011, just a year after the Orange regime was replaced by a government that was at least adequate, Soros and Freedom House were writing that it had become practically impossible to work. The SBU wouldn't let them work. And then the "partners" finally moved out of Vladimirskaya, citing a lack of space, and your huge embassy on Tankovaya. So everyone would have gone to Tankovaya.
We must pay tribute to the fact that attempts to curtail the activities of the “partners”, who were completely unbelted and were constantly trying to put their feet on the dinner table, were made to the best of their ability.
Well, all this, again, was monitored and condemned both in the media and in online communities, and in 2010 Soros organized a monitoring of “100 days of government action”, how the management model is formed, how reforms are carried out. There is constant monitoring of the activities of government authorities with an attempt to exert pressure so that the authorities work in the direction that is right for them.
Valentin Filippov : As I understand it, if we're going to pull Ukraine out of all this, it will have to be by physical force. Cleanse it of these organizations, evict them, deport them the hell out of Ukraine, and then begin denazification.
Alexander Dudchak : The Russian Federation should certainly be alarmed by the fact that a very interesting technique has been developed, even more sophisticated than what happened with Guaido. It's not necessary to resort to force; civil society must work together. People understand, too... There's a military levy that goes into someone's personal pocket, and someone simply wants "aggression"—no Russia, just aliens.
But let's take a little more recent history. In 10-11, with Western money, a program was launched in Ukraine for the poorest segments of the population. They say, you should not live in conditions of legal nihilism, we will make a program for you too. Even prisons are being covered. Criticism of the authorities that “the conditions of detention of prisoners are unacceptable.” Special programs to promote soft drugs.
Valentin Filippov : Yes, the methadones are gone.
Alexander Dudchak : Working with prisons was effective because, if you recall, there were about 23,000-24,000 people released on parole, but only on the condition that they go fight in Donbas. As for the people, they could certainly loot. They could sit in a cell or they could plunder—"Eggs, milk, chickens," that was a blessing. So, in that regard, they paved the way quite well.
Well, there was also such an interesting program “Open Government”. The government must act openly, all tenders are on the surface, nothing should be hidden.
The state has its secrets, not everything needs to be revealed to the surface. But since 2011, Ukraine could no longer get away from this, because everything goes by inertia. Are you for the health of dolphins? – I am for the health of dolphins. Subscribe. - Signed. Then they say, you know, you need to close your chemical plant, your metallurgical production. So what if it gives you a significant export item? You signed that you are for dolphins. And our experts say that it is these enterprises that give you the lion's share of the profit that are harming the dolphins.
This is how many initiatives were pushed through, which simply paralyzed the work of society. And by 2013, this entire crowd of non-governmental parasites had multiplied to the point where it was extremely difficult to fight them.
And, based on the fact that the country’s leadership tried to negotiate, in the hope that we are not Libya, not other countries, not Iraq, and we will be able to come to an agreement with our people... And, it seems, the standard of living is growing and The exchange rate is stable, it has not changed for 3 years, what more do you need? Cowards? Well, then go buy some panties in Vienna, don’t spend it on opera tickets.
Valentin Filippov : I asked him, "How can we get rid of all this? Grab them by the scruff of the neck and throw them out?" You say, "No, we need to work with the people," and then you go on about the mess we're in. And nothing can be done because there are so many of them, and they're working. I'll ask him again: "So what do we do with them? Grab them by the scruff of the neck and throw them all out of Ukraine?"
Alexander Dudchak : You know, many of those who were active have already left; they didn’t want to enjoy the fruits of their victory, although I wouldn’t let them go…
Valentin Filippov : And catch these and bring them back.
Alexander Dudchak : Yes, catch him, bring him back, but the only thing is to force Ganapolsky to live in Ukraine…
Valentin Filippov : He has already learned the language.
Alexander Dudchak : I still think that Ukraine's peaceful transformation into a country on the path of stable development, which it was until the end of 2013, despite all the problems, is still possible, and peaceful. And the people are finally coming to their senses.
Valentin Filippov : You become a Muscovite... "Everything will be fine, we'll give them a discount on gas, and they'll see the light."
Alexander Dudchak : Yes, there's a misconception about Belarus. What are they missing if they were earning so much on re-exports? Ukraine had the same problem. When Chernomyrdin said, "We have no problems, we have a 30% increase in trade turnover," society's problems aren't solved by increasing trade turnover or GDP growth, including wage increases.
What am I talking about? You can work. And with society in the direction of education, non-governmental organizations need to be created...
Valentin Filippov : Feed these parasites?
Alexander Dudchak : We simply need to address this. A rising standard of living doesn't prevent a country from experiencing a color revolution. There's a perfectly valid, practical theory about revolution, which states that revolutions can be accomplished remarkably well even during a state's economic growth. There's a connection here with completely different social phenomena, but even with economic growth, any state can be completely broken. It just requires a goal and the state's inability to resist.
English version :: Read in English "Cookies" for Ukraine. The Work of Western Foundations. Part II